The Outsiders, Part 2
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Our Guests
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B.A. (Philosophy), Univ of MN
M.Div. Yale Divinity School
Ph.D. Princeton Theological Seminary
Senior Pastor - Woodland Hills Church (1992-present)
President/Founder - Reknew Ministries
Adjunct Professor - Northern Seminary (2017-present)
Professor of Theology - Bethel University (1987 - 2004)
Author/CoAuthor of 23 books
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Terry Hiebert is the Interim President at Steinbach Bible College.
Terry enjoys teaching theology, ethics, philosophy, and history. He believes that learning is more than just memorizing information or taking notes in class. Rather, the goal of teaching involves students actively engaging in loving God with their minds and hearts. He finds joy in mentoring students and young ministry leaders in pursuing God’s calling in life and ministry. In years as a ministry leader, he has desired a God’s presence for renewing persons and churches.
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Cameron McKenzie is the lead pastor at Fort Garry EMC in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
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Carol Penner teaches and writes in the area of practical theology and after many years as a pastor in various Mennonite congregations, she joined the faculty at Grebel. Her research interests include feminist theology and Mennonite peace theology, and abuse issues. She has a popular blog of her worship resources at www.leadinginworship.com.
Travis, Stephanie, Jennifer and Deborah from Many Rooms Church Community, Winnipeg, Manitoba
Links and Resources
Books
The Crucifixion of the Warrior God, Greg Boyd
Music
First Communion, Dane Joneshill
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House of Peace, Steve Bell
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Notable Quotes
How do we go about holding firmly to our faith convictions without becoming condemning of our sisters and brothers in Christ who see things differently?
“The only way you can really love authentically is to love humbly.” Greg Boyd
“I would say that sometimes Mennonites can be more tolerant towards Muslims than they can be tolerant towards people in their own congregation or in their denomination who disagree with them.” ~Dr. Carol Penner
“I believe that no one can be a pacifist alone because I think pacifism is actually, fundamentally, a social thing.” ~Dr. Terry Hiebert
“I obviously hold some strong convictions about Anabaptists having a unique and significant and important perspective on peace, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to enter into conversations with this expectation that, “Oh yes, I'm ahead of you on this and I can maybe help pull you along a little bit.” There are things that we can learn from each other as we go through this.” ~Jesse Penner
“If Jesus is our defence, then we shouldn't be defending ourselves, so maybe it comes even to this, that if we haven't learned how to not be defensive, then we have a ways to go in actually showing that we trust that God can defend us without our need to be violent, aggressive, defensive.” ~Stephanie
“We don't realize that the people who think differently about this question within the church, they're thoughtful, intelligent, faithful worshippers of Jesus. They're not wild people out there who have abandoned reason. So let's spend a little bit more time talking to each other to see what we can learn from each other or maybe even better, as often was the case around the pandemic, which is a good kind of analogy in some ways, let's find as many of the pieces of common ground as we can, and let's strengthen those and not worry as much about where we're differing on the edges of what we believe.” ~Cameron McKenzie
To have that generosity of spirit towards others and not just assume that because they think differently than me they must be some kind of monster, but rather assume that maybe I have something to learn about them instead. ~Kevin Wiebe
